HELP!! What is the chemical reaction going on in a Lithium battery? What would be the chemical reaction (what's being reduced, and oxidized)
I am talking about the reaction in a laptop, or a car (in the making) how would it work? Would Lithium be both reduced and oxidized? Also, what would it react with (anodes, cathodes?) I can't find anything! PLEASE HELP!
Aviya G replied: "LiCoO2
Li2CO3-t- 2H3PO4 + 1A C 2 Li2CoO2 + 3/2CO2 + 3H2O.
Most lithium batteries (Li-ion) used in consumer electronics products are mostly lithium cobalt oxide batteries. Other lithium batteries include lithium-manganese oxide (LiMn2O4) and lithium-nickel oxide (LiNiO2). The cathodes of lithium batteries are made with the above materials, and the anodes are generally made of carbon."
duder replied: "For a good overview of lithium ion batteries check out the "Battery University" Page here:
The particular chemistry of the anode/ion/cathode depend on the particular type of battery being investigated.
How stuff works reports the anode and cathode compositions as such:
"The positive electrode is made of Lithium cobalt oxide, or LiCoO2. The negative electrode is made of carbon. When the battery charges, ions of lithium move through the electrolyte from the positive electrode to the negative electrode and attach to the carbon. During discharge, the lithium ions move back to the LiCoO2 from the carbon."
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What's the best way to charge a Lithium-ION battery cell? I searched around on the Internet for some info about what I need to know, and so far, no such luck, so here goes:
I have a dead Laptop Li-ION battery pack in my possession, and i decided to tear it apart to find out how it works. Much to my suprise, 2 of the 9 cells in the battery pack had some charge left in them, so I destroyed the casing, and circuitry to get the cells out. I did some preliminary research online and found out that lithium is (obviously) very dangerous, even in battery form. Improper charging can cause damage to the cell (best case) to even a thermal runaway reaction leading to an explosion (worst case). Aside from that, lithium is very toxic, so needless to say, very dangerous stuff to play around with.
Which leads me to my question: How should I go about charging these cells to get some use out of them? Or is it just too risky to try? If I should just get rid of them, how should I go about this?
Obviously, I can't dump these in the land fill, or can I?
Rykov replied: "get another one"
Loren W replied: "u can throw them away like everyone in the world does...u cant charge them u have to buy a new one"
five v replied: "You're right that Li-Ion cells are not to be played with. Part of the battery pack that they are contained in is designed to distribute charge voltage evenly and to detect and protect against improper charging. Trying to charge the cells without this protection is like replacing your household fuses with coins or metal foil.
For disposal, it'll depend on your local facilities. Some useful info here:"
can anyone pls give me a link in which lithium ion polymer batteries reactions r written....? try not sending wikipedia..
Greed replied: "Half cell reaction theory and the enthalpy lookup tables should tell you everything you need to know."
Why does a Li-Ion battery only last a certain time after it's manufactured? Any chemical reactions to do with Lithium Ion rechargeable batteries would help. Also, any information on how they are maufactured. Thanks
McDSpooky replied: "Lithium ion batteries (sometimes abbreviated Li-Ion) are a type of rechargeable battery commonly used in consumer electronics. They are currently one of the most popular types of battery, with one of the best energy-to-weight ratios, no memory effect and a slow loss of charge when not in use. They can be dangerous if mistreated, however, and unless care is taken they may have a shorter lifespan compared to other battery types. A more advanced lithium-ion battery design is the lithium polymer cell.
Advantages and disadvantages
Advantages
Li batteries are lighter than equivalents in other chemistries often much lighter. This is because lithium ions have an extremely high charge density the highest of all known naturally occurring ions. Li ions are small and mobile, but more readily stored than hydrogen. Thus a battery based on lithium is smaller than one with hydrogen elements, such as nickel metal hydride, and with fewer volatile gases. The ions need fewer storage intermediaries, so more battery weight is usable as charge, instead of overhead.
Li-ion batteries do not suffer from the memory effect. They also have a low self-discharge rate of approximately 5% per month, compared with over 30% per month and 20% per month in nickel metal hydride batteries and nickel cadmium batteries, respectively.
Disadvantages
A unique drawback of the Li-ion battery is that its life span is dependent upon aging from time of manufacturing (shelf life) regardless of whether it was charged, and not just on the number of charge/discharge cycles. This drawback is not widely publicized.
At a 100% charge level, a typical Li-ion laptop battery that's full most of the time at 25 degrees Celsius, will irreversibly lose approximately 20% capacity per year. This capacity loss begins from the time it was manufactured, and occurs even when the battery is unused. Different storage temperatures produce different loss results: 6% loss at 0 C, 20% at 25 C, and 35% at 40 C. When stored at 40% charge level, these figures are reduced to 2%, 4%, 15% at 0, 25 and 40 degrees Celsius respectively.
If the battery is used and fully depleted to 0%, this is called a "deep discharge" cycle, and this decreases its capacity. Approximately 100 deep discharge cycles leave the battery with about 75% to 85% capacity. When used in laptop computers or cellular phones, this rate of deterioration means that after three to five years the battery will have capacities that are too low to be usable.
Li-ion batteries are not as durable as nickel metal hydride or nickel-cadmium designs and can be extremely dangerous if mistreated. They are usually more expensive.
For more info including a chemical reaction see:"
dong replied: "Newly manufactured Li-Ion lasts only in a short period of time because its charge is for factory quality control only-- to check if the battery really works. It will not be fully charged by the manufacturer as to not start the wear and tear of the battery."
m3dic911 replied: "because, like any other battery, after a certain number of charge/discharge cycles the chemical components inside the cell provide certain reactions that lead to the end of the cell's life"
Lithium ion batteries? Can you please explain the chemistry of lithium batteries? How do we recharge them (this is meant to be chemically...ie. what are the reaction formulas for the charging of lithium ion batteries. What happens chemically when a lithium ion battery is charged? Is there a limit to the number of times we can recharge them? How are lithium batteries different from other batteries? What new developments in battery chemistry might be available in the near future?
Please answer my questions:) Thank you! :)
Timothy replied: "This is a potentially long question. Check out the Wikipedia page:"
Jerry H replied: "Here you go:
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chemistry of a lithium-ion cell What exactly is the reaction that goes on within a lithium ion cell?
According to
LiCoO2 -> Li(1-x)CoO2 xe^- xLi^
If one electron and lithium ion is lost, would it be CoO2? I would think so but there is nothing called cobalt dioxide!
Is an ion left behind?
Also, according to
the cobalt oxide parts are held together tightly while the lithium ions are in the middle...
How do we express this reaction in which lithium ions are lost from this compound?
Thanks,
Charith
Paul B replied: "In Li(1-x)CoO2, you have 1-x Co in oxidation state +3 and x in oxidation state +4.
Yes, Co+4 does exist in solids. It is also quite common for the same element to occur in two different oxidation states in an oxide framework; one example is magnetite, Fe3O4.
So when you charge the battery, you reduce Li+ to Li, which migrates out of the original LiCoO2, while oxidising Co to Co+4."
critus666 replied: "Li(1-x)CoO2 exist in a large range of x=0 to 0.8
LiCoO2 is rich in Li+ AND e- .the electron is some what
"free" it does not bond to Co4+
it is like in the case of the graphite(anode,other electrode)
a lithium battery works based on the fact that this couple (Li+ and e-) behave like
a GAS.A GAS THAT IS AT HIGH PRESSURE AT ONE ELECTRODE
AND LOW PRESSURE TO THE OTHER.ELECTRIC ENERGY STEMS
FROM THE 2 DIFFERENT ROUTES THOSE COMPONENTS PART:ELECTRONS THRU EXTERNAL CIRCUIT,Li+ THRU ELECTROLITE.if u take 2 graphite rods in an electrolite that contain Li
and u try to charge the cell,it will retain energy.PLANTE invented lead acid battery 150 years ago just trying the same:2 identical plates of lead in sulphuric acid(hoped to electrolise H2SO4).dissimilar electrodes are only to increase performance,it does not change the principle.
moreover:in graphite lithium is not in metallic state,it will not react with water.it.s just a pair (Li+ and e-) that is more or less appart"
Why does a battery get hot after it's punctured? I found a broken cellphone and a lithium battery by the side of the road yesterday. I too it home, and out of curiosity, smashed it open with a hammer to see what's inside it (it's actually pretty cool. The inside of a cell-phone has an extraordinary amount of miniaturization in it, and in particular, the circuit board looks like a miniature version of the circuit boards I used to play around with as a kid). After I was done with that, I took a hammer to the battery (outside, of course, so that it wouldn't burn anything important), and to my surprise, not only did it start leaking a clear fluid and giving off an odor that reminded me of the acid my podiatrist used to treat my ingrown toenail, but it got really hot.
So I was wondering, why did it get hot? Was it electricity stored in the battery (I'm not sure if the battery had power in it or not)? Was it heat from an exothermic reaction? And if the latter's the case, what was reacting? The metal covering of the battery? The paper and plastic covering? The concrete under it? I'm curious what was generating the heat.
After I was done, I wasn't sure what to do with it (I don't think you can recycle punctured batteries) so I buried it, cleaned the hammer, and washed my hands. Also, I found today that I'd accidentally gotten a few drops on my shoe somehow and it burned the plastic covering of them (didn't go all the way through to my feet, but the shoes are ruined and I feel like a damn fool).
MontyH replied: "The lithium strip in the battery is water reactive. Normally, the battery is completely airtight, a puncture allows water vapor to get at the strip.
As moisture in the air attacks the strip it forms lithium hydroxide, a strong caustic material and hydrogen gas. The reaction is what releases heat. Do not let your skin come in contact with either lithium or the end product hydroxide. If you do, rinse with LOTS of water; if your hands feel slippery, you still have hydroxide on you."
Digital camera advice please? I need a camera wit ha good battery life- I'd like a lithium battery as opposed to AA or whatever. Also, i want one with a really short reaction time- like it doesn't have a big delay when you press the shutter- also when you turn it on. Which one would you recommend?
Doogie replied: "Casio is the best in the business at battery life AND time between shots and power up... Casio digital cameras use a lithium battery and take approx 400 shots between charges AND they have the fastest start up time (less than a second!!!) and inbetween shots amoung all the camera types... you will be very happy with your choice... and they can be had for like $140! Go for it."
ArrenBBY:] replied: "Energizer...
it keeps going and going and going...."
fhotoace replied: "Shutter lag is always a problem and most camera companies don't list that in their specs. Start up times are not as important.
Look at this website to find all the cameras that use Li-ion batteries. Once you find them, you can to into an electronics store and do a test on the cameras of your choice and see which has the shortest shutter lag.
The only cameras right now that have short enough shutter lag are the DSLR level cameras."
Tech Guru replied: "Hi,
I have sold cameras for 3 years in retail hands down for a point and shoot type camera Casio is the longest lasting camera battery I have ever seen. You could get some great ones at"
Elvis replied: "All of the major brands are good. Choose a brand that appeals to you. Then you have to think about getting a spare battery, what size memory card, if you want an extended warranty, how much you can afford, what size zoom, if you want manual controls, the size of the camera, finding a reliable place to purchase it, and the list goes on and on and on.......
The first thing to realize is that almost any digital camera will take good pictures. If more people would read the manual more than once, they would be able to take better pictures. Usually, the person assumes it is the camera when it could be them not knowing exactly what to do. Just give yourself more photographic knowledge by doing more reading on the internet.
I really believe buying a camera is an individual choice.
The person needs to read alot of reviews on cameras so they can decide on the features that they really want and need.
Go to the store and hold them so you can see if they feel comfortable in your hands. If possible, take some pictures in the store to check the quality of the pictures.
I can only give a suggestion of what to look for in a new digital camera.
Good Luck
my suggestion
go to yahoo shopping
digital cameras
digital camera GUIDE
be sure to check titles on the left side
the guide should answer your questions"
water_skipper replied: "I have the Fujifilm Finepix F10, which has a lithium ion battery and I've been very happy with it. I haven't used enough other digital cameras to tell you if it's any faster or slower though."
Can u explain this chemistry formula? here is the link to it since i cant really type it on here
Its saying the reaction formula for lithuim ion batteries but i dont understand what the 1-x means (it might the letter I im not sure) and why are the arrows pointing both directions
Charlie replied: "ummm.... sorry"
ally replied: "?? Are you trying to blow something up ??...jk"
keypointist replied: "The 1-x bit literally means 1 minus x where x is a variable. If you have x lithium atoms in the Li(x)C(6) then you have 1-x lithium ions...However the equation only makes sense when x = 1 so really I'm not surprised that you are confused by it!
They've just put that in to stop you asking what's keeping the equation neutral in terms of charge!
The arrows are pointing in both directions because this reaction is in equilibrium. That is to say at any time the reactants on the left are combining to produce the products on the right AND the "products" on the right are breaking up to produce the reactants on the left."
Brian B replied: "Basically, sometimes you can give rather than a specific formula a formula where some subscripts are variables. For example, consider the alkanes. They are a class of compounds having formulae CH4, C2H6, C3H8, C4H10, etc. We see that the number of H atoms is always two more than twice the number of carbon atoms, so if we let x denote the number of carbon atoms, we can denote the general formula of an alkane by CxH(2x+2). Well, in your example the "x" on the Li indicates a variable number of Li atoms, and the "1-x" means that the two subscripts should add up to 1."
H V replied: "the arrows represent the reactants and the products, the arrow that points to the left <-- mean that they chemical formulas that are on that side are the reactants and the other chemical formulas to the right side of the arrow that is pointing this way --> are the product, the x might represent any number to balance the equation"
Sergei I replied: ""1-x" implies that on average there is less than one Li atom per one Co atom (lithium non-stoichiometry). Some places In the structure of Li(1-x)CoO2 have Li atoms sitting in them, and some are empty.
Arrows to both directions mean that reaction is reversible and can go from right to left as well as from left to right depending on the amount of reactants and products present."
HP Pavilion vs. HP TouchSmart laptop, which one should I get? I know that an Intel Core 2 Duo is far better than any AMD Dual-Core.
However, based on the specs given below, which laptop is a better buy, based on the features and options each has? (bear in mind that one is a TouchSmart PC and a Tablet PC as well, and the other one is not...) Thank you in advance!!!
I need a new laptop and I narrowed it down to these two...
The first one is an HP Pavilion dv4t:
>>Color Espresso Black
>>Operating system Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium with Service Pack 1 (64-bit)
>>Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo Processor T6400 (2.0GHz)
>>Memory FREE Upgrade to 3GB DDR2 System Memory (2 Dimm)!
>>Hard drive FREE Upgrade to 320GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive with HP ProtectSmart Hard Drive Protection
>>Graphics card 512MB NVIDIA GeForce G 105M
>>Display 14.1" diagonal WXGA High-Definition HP BrightView Widescreen Display (1280 x 800)
>>Primary optical drive LightScribe SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-RW with Double Layer Support
>>Personalization Webcam Only
>>Networking Wireless-G Card
>>Keyboard HP Color Matching Keyboard
>>Primary battery 12 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
>>Accessories Mobile Stereo Earbud Headphones (1 pair) (I had to get them to get a discount..)
>>Modem Port No Modem
The other one is an HP TouchSmart tx2z:
>>Operating system: Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium with Service Pack 1 (64-bit)
>>Processor: AMD Turion(TM) X2 Dual-Core Mobile Processor RM-74 (2.2GHz, 3.6 GT`s Bus Speed)
>>Memory FREE Upgrade to 4GB DDR2 System Memory (2 Dimm) from 2GB DDR2 System Memory (2 Dimm)
>>Hard drive FREE Upgrade to 320GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive from 160GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive
>>Graphics card ATI Radeon(TM) HD 3200 Graphics with 64MB Display Cache Memory
>>Display 12.1" diagonal WXGA High-Definition HP LED BrightView Widescreen (1280x800)w/Integrated Touch-screen
>>Primary optical drive LightScribe SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-RW with Double Layer Support
>>Personalization Webcam Only with HP Imprint Finish (Reaction)
>>Networking Wireless-G Card
>>Keyboard HP Color Matching Keyboard
>>Primary battery 6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
>>OS and recovery media System Recovery DVD with Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium (64-bit)
Based on the specs above, which is the best buy. They are both selling for about $710 each, and can be shipped to me at no charge.
Thanks again... :)
Nathan M replied: "The dv4t will offer longer battery life thanks to the 12 cell battery. Since it would only have 3GB of RAM, there is no need to purchase Vista 64-bit, unless you plan to upgrade to 4GB in the future. However, the tx2z will be smaller and therefore lighter than the dv4t, so you have to take that into consideration. Both of them are portable, but you might enjoy the touch feature on the tx2z for taking notes. Performance should not be an issue; I have an HP laptop with an AMD processor and it runs everything well. In any case, the tx2z is a better buy because it has the touch screen, a feature not found on the dv4t. Hope this helps!"
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